System of Systems

System of Systems

Adam Lehrer, Matthew Denicola

All culture is propaganda. Everything you hold dear is connected to that which subjugates you. Deconstruct art, culture, and politics, and attempt to understand the pervasive conformism that has saturated it all.

Hosted by Adam Lehrer and Matthew DeNicola

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Episodes

PREVIEW It Was Not Conceptual (w/ Matt Forney)

PREVIEW It Was Not Conceptual (w/ Matt Forney)

2025-07-21

We're joined by author and Terror House Press editor-in-chief Matt Forney for a free-wheeling conversation about upstate New York, immigration, literature and video games

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OST
Mark Broom "Lemon" https://music.apple.com/us/album/lemon/1347654714?i=1347654721
Slutet "Match Questions"
Overhang Party "La Fantome de la Liberte" https://music.apple.com/us/album/le-fantome-de-la-liberte/306222404?i=306222410
The Fugs "I Couldn't Get High" https://music.apple.com/us/album/i-couldnt-get-high/1439276930?i=1439276943
Martin Dupont "Take a Look" https://music.apple.com/us/album/take-a-look/1455203505?i=1455203797

LINKS:
Matt at Twitter: https://x.com/realmattforney?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Matt's website: https://mattforney.com/
Matt's vintage video game Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@MatthewForney

37:26
Asgardsrei (W/ Vlad Davidzon)

Asgardsrei (W/ Vlad Davidzon)

2025-07-16

Adam's friend and Tablet Mag colleague, the European politics writer and Ukraine expert Vlad Davidzon, joins the show to discuss the state of the war between Russia and Ukraine. Vlad is a politics and war writer but also something of a bon vivant. He keeps notebooks of drawings and collages that are quite good.

Vlad phoned in from the Unsafe House, the art collective (of sorts) of none other than painter and former Kirac member Tarik Sadouma. Tarik makes a brief appearance.

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OST:

DK Energerytk "Egepretkv" https://music.apple.com/us/album/%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BA/1681714424?i=1681714871

Kroda "Hasta la Muerte" https://youtu.be/E_m481QjdyM?si=WWm4uWX7tkmkB745

Monument Strakha "I Know Why" https://ultrasomnambulau.bandcamp.com/album/never-cry

Peste Noire live at Asgardsrei https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGVdCUdGS1w

Chervi "Evil Game" https://ultrasomnambulau.bandcamp.com/album/evil-game-2

LINKS:

Check out Vlad's new Substack https://vladislavdavidzon.substack.com/

The Unsafe House https://www.the-unsafe-house.com/

Check out Vlad's art https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/vlad-davidzon-ukraine-notebooks-art

01:24:02
We're Back (w/ Kieran Saint Leonard)

We're Back (w/ Kieran Saint Leonard)

2025-07-02

Apologies about our slow pace, work and life priorities have distanced us from our cause, which we are now here to reclaim once more. Beginning with this conversation with UK writer and musician Kieran Saint Leonard centered around Kieran's new novel Muse, a semi-autobiographical glimpse into the dangers of alluring women and Los Angeles occultism. LINKS:

Buy Kieran's book at Hyperidean Press ⁠https://www.hyperideanpress.com/books⁠

01:37:47
PREVIEW: Jack Off of All Trades (W/ Noah Stalgia)

PREVIEW: Jack Off of All Trades (W/ Noah Stalgia)

2025-06-04

New York artist Noah Stalgia discusses embracing art and leaving furniture design behind

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LINKS: Noah website https://www.noahstalgia.com/artworks

40:29
Nuked Overton

Nuked Overton

2025-05-26

The boys discuss Ye nuking the overton window and how genuine or disingenuous leftists' complaints about the Trump admin are

SOUNDTRACK

Plagal Grind "Receivership live"
Air Conditioning "Unravel your Navel"
Offenders "Face Down in the Dirt"
Victim Kennel "In Case of Aggression"

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01:49:12
FriendFiction (w/Omar King)

FriendFiction (w/Omar King)

2025-04-28

Writer Omar King, as well as publisher Evan Papadakis, join the show to discuss his new short story collection An Odyssey of Dingbats, published on friends and former guests Dan Baltic's and Matt Pegas' new imprint New Ritual Press, to talk about his book, porn, Los Angeles, egirl writing, "friendfiction", Hubert Selby, Jr, autism and more

SOUNDTRACK
The Hospitals "Hairdryer Peace"
Blue Eyed Devils "Fearless"
Plamen "Servants of Nothing"
The Brothers Johnson "Stomp"


LINKS
Purchase Omar's book HERE

01:40:33
PREVIEW Trash American Style (w/ Malcolm Tent)

PREVIEW Trash American Style (w/ Malcolm Tent)

2025-04-07

Malcom Tent is an under appreciated legend of underground rock n' roll. From entering into the punk fold in South Florida in the 1980s with his hardcore band Broken Talent, to forming the sub-underground noise rock collective Bunny Brains, to playing in one of the most important lineups of American black metal group Profanatica, to collaborating with none other than GG ALLIN, to owning the iconic record shop Trash American Style, to acting as the proprietor of the label TPOS, Tent's distinctive stamp is all over the American sub-underground. Luckily enough, he's here on the podcast, telling all of these stories.

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LINKS:

Malcolm Tent website https://www.malcolmtent.net/
Bunny Brains https://www.bunnybrains.com/
Malcolm's Youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/@malcolmtent5186

43:07
PREVIEW The Codependent Benefactor (w/ Philip Van Den Hurk and Stefan Ruitenbeek)

PREVIEW The Codependent Benefactor (w/ Philip Van Den Hurk and Stefan Ruitenbeek)

2025-03-15

A very special episode here, featuring none other than Dutch artist and director of the infamous KIRAC film series Stefan Ruitenbeek and his benefactor, the Dutch art collector Philip Van Den Hurk. We attempt to understand just why Philip would allow himself to become a character in the KIRAC universe, which Philip explains brings him a kind of limit experience. Stefan explains the erotic dynamics in their relationship. Episode ends with Philip trying to strawman Adam with the abortion issue.

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LINKS:
Watch KIRAC episodes here https://www.keepingitrealartcritics.com/wordpress/
Follow KIRAC at X: @realKIRAC

45:19
PREVIEW DOGEing Bullets (W/ Shay Semple)

PREVIEW DOGEing Bullets (W/ Shay Semple)

2025-02-25

Artist and MAGA OG Shay Semple joins once more to discuss the radical first month of the Trump presidency


OST
Kraftwerk "Computer Love"
ESG "Shinin and Grindin"
M8 "Sword Shards"
Kim Fowley "Bubblegum"
Peste Noire "La dernier putsch"
The Bomber Jackets "Legends Never Die"

39:54
Melrose Place (w/ Zach Brown)

Melrose Place (w/ Zach Brown)

2025-02-08

Artist Zach Brown joins the show to discuss one of the stranger and more era specific art works of the 1990s, Darren Starr's adult nighttime soap series Melrose Place



OST
Dead Girl's Party "I'm a Tick Tock Bomb"
Hunger! "Workshop"
Diapsiquir "Aprés"

01:34:24
Rockin Back Inside My Heart (w/ Jack Mason)

Rockin Back Inside My Heart (w/ Jack Mason)

2025-01-23

The life, the legacy, and the art of David Lynch, with Jack Mason of The Perfume Nationalist



SOUNDTRACK
Julee Cruise "Rockin' Back Inside my Heart"
Brother JT "This is the Life"
Felt "Primitive Painters"
Roy Orbison "In Dreams"
LINKS
TPN The Films of David Lynch Part One and Part Two

42:33
PREVIEW Opportunism and Moralism (w/ Kat Chamberlin)

PREVIEW Opportunism and Moralism (w/ Kat Chamberlin)

2025-01-13

Artist Kat Chamberlin discusses her political discontent and Dean Kissick's recent panel with Anna and Dasha
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Soundtrack:
Mortuary Drape "Larve"
Datblygu "Hollol, Hollol, Hollol"
Das Kabinette "Something's On Your Mind"
Mirrors "Shirley"
LINKS:
Kat Chamberlin website

40:22
Goodbye 2024

Goodbye 2024

2024-12-23

Memorable art, music, film and memes of 2024



OST
Red Lorry Yellow Lorry "Pushing On"
Horsepower Electronics "Gorgon Sound"
Thergothon "Elemental"
NOFX "Vanilla Sex"

01:18:03
Magic Man (w/ Christopher Zeischegg)

Magic Man (w/ Christopher Zeischegg)

2024-12-04

Author and filmmaker Christopher Zeischegg discusses his semi autofictional 2020 novel The Magician, a new film based on that text, and a little bit about his previous life in pornography



OST:
Cabaret Voltaire "A Touch of Evil"
The Obsessed "Tombstone Highway"
Metal Urbain "Ultra Violence"
The Diplomats "Who I Am"
Miss Kittin and the Hacker "Homme a la Mode"
LINKS
Christopher Zeischegg website
Follow Chris on Twitter: @chriszeischegg

01:34:49
PREVIEW Omertà (w/ Med Gold)

PREVIEW Omertà (w/ Med Gold)

2024-11-26

Sensitive young man and friend of the show Med Gold joins to discuss too good and decent men wildly condemned and deliberately misunderstood by the media

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LINKS:
Read Med's essay on The Sopranos

40:43
Monologue: 'The Apprentice'

Monologue: 'The Apprentice'

2024-11-21

Adam discusses Ali Abbasi's Trump biopic, Sebastian Stan's incredible performance, and portraiture in general, and finds in the film a surprisingly and perhaps accidentally positive portrait of the President Elect



READ THE ESSAY HERE and HERE

36:03
Psychogeography (W/ Chino Amobi)

Psychogeography (W/ Chino Amobi)

2024-10-23

Multi-hyphenate artist, musician and writer Chino Amobi calls in from Houston to talk about his masterful new album Eroica and the state of the whole goddamn world



LINKS:
Chino Amobi at Bandcamp
Chino's Eroica Flora
Chino At Instagram: @chinoamobi

40:05
Dada Disturbed (w/ Morgan Garrett)

Dada Disturbed (w/ Morgan Garrett)

2024-10-16

Philly based musician and artist Morgan Garrett's excellent recent album Purity has been compared to bands as unrelated as Korn and the Shadow Ring by midwit rock writers. Nevertheless, there is something interesting about the references, and Adam found himself shocked by how fascinated he was by this strange, disorienting and highly original music.


Morgan joins the show to discuss the album as well as the very upsetting personal experience that inspired it

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Morgan Garrett "Suck"
Korn "ADIDAS" (Live at Woodstock)
The Shadow Ring "Cold Coffee"
Bladee "WODRAINER"
Pink Reason "Cranes are Flying"
Morgan Garrett "Mercy and Grace"

LINKS:
Morgan Garrett, Purity

01:23:46
Hermanos Menendez

Hermanos Menendez

2024-10-09

Matt and Adam discuss Ryan Murphy's second season of Monsters on the Menendez Brothers, the Gary Indiana novel Resentment also about the case, and other goings on



OST
MIlli Vanilli "Girl You Know It's True"
Batrider "Tara"
Skinny Puppy "Bites"
Associates "Party Fears Two"
The Lox "Money Power Respect"

01:37:57

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